Expertise Ranger Attribute - Guild Wars Forums

The Stealth Ranger · Jul 24, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Hi, I hope someone can enlighten me.

I'm a Ranger/Elementalist. Rangers have the primary attribute Expertise. Official documentation is a bit vague about the exact function of this attribute. They say it reduces the energy cost of "your skills". Does that also mean that it reduces the energy cost of all my skills, including my secondary Elementalist skills? Then it will become very interesting.

And I believe it also reduces skill recharge times and maybe other things? Maybe anyone here has a lot of experience with this vaguely documented attribute. I invested my attribute points mainly in Markmanship, Beast Mastery and Fire Magic.

Kha · Jul 24, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Expertise

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jul 24, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

There are "skills" "signets" "spells" and stuff like that... it states all attacks preperations and skills... Things like, Vampiric touch, or Lightning touch, state that they are "skills" and therefore, are not considered spells, and also wont be effected by things like backfire, obviously.

The Stealth Ranger · Jul 24, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14

I know about the discrete jumps of reduction. But I want to know if Expertise also reduces the energy cost of my Fire Magic skills from my secondary Elementalist profession...

Spike · Jul 24, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

expertise does NOT effect spells and unless you want to waste over half your Ap on it, its pointless. My ranger does'nt bother to use it and works just fine.

Fox Reeveheart · Jul 25, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Are pet skills like feral lunge affected by expertise? o.o.... it is a RANGER skill ya know.

I know its a attack skill but its a PET attack skill technically, so I am not sure.

Linkie · Jul 25, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Read the description of the Skill. It will usually say things like: Signet, Skill, Spell, Hex Spell etc.

Elena · Jul 25, 2005, 12:52 AM // 00:52

well i have my expertise at 12 and it halfs costs off skills and when it comes to like 12.5 as half it goes down to 12 wich is great to have

The Stealth Ranger · Jul 25, 2005, 07:18 AM // 07:18

I guess nobody knows the answer to my question, if expertise also affects the skills of a secondary profession?

Aaaaagh · Jul 25, 2005, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by The Stealth Ranger

I guess nobody knows the answer to my question, if expertise also affects the skills of a secondary profession?

It absolutely works on your secondary skills. To my knowledge expertise reduces the mana cost of everything. The exception would be signets, but they dont cost mana to begin with.

AceSnyp3r · Jul 25, 2005, 07:33 AM // 07:33

I know it reduces the energy cost of all of your Ranger skills, but in my experience, not any of the spells and such of your secondary class. Pet skills, attack skills, preparations, spirits, etc. are all affected by Expertise. I've yet to try it, but it might affect Warrior's attack skills as well...

The Stealth Ranger · Jul 25, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Thanks for the replies guys. But your replies were completely contrary

shady_knife · Jul 25, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05

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Originally Posted by Spike

expertise does NOT effect spells and unless you want to waste over half your Ap on it, its pointless. My ranger does'nt bother to use it and works just fine.

expertise is basically mandatory for most rangers. its awesome, with a level of 10, thats 30% off most of your ranger skills, that makes 10 = 7, or 5 = 3. the higher the better and the expertise skills are awesome.

Aranador · Jul 25, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Expertise will affect attack skills from - for example - warrior secondary - but will not affect spell skills, such as 99% of elementalist skills.

Sorry - no low cost mojo for you.

Aaaaagh · Jul 25, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by The Stealth Ranger

Thanks for the replies guys. But your replies were completely contrary

I said it reduced the cost on "everything" I may have been overboard, I meant everything 'attack' I have never tried it with heals or such. Definately works with warrior skills though.

The Stealth Ranger · Jul 25, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Aaah thanks, now it's starting to clear up. That would be very unfair if only certain secondary professions profit from Expertise. Talking about lousy and vague official documentation! They definitely should warn people for that beforehand. But isn't Elementalist also an attack profession? I mean Fire Magic seems to have many attack skills... I guess it depends on the definition of "attack skill".

Linkie · Jul 25, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Sigh. Read again:

If you read the description of a skill it will say: Hex Spell, Spell, Enchantment Spell, Skill, Elite Skill, Elite Spell, Attack Skill, etc.

All skills described as "Skills" are affected by expertise. This affects mostly Warrior and Ranger skills, but also a few other skills, e.g. Vampiric Touch (and most other touch skills).

Spike · Jul 25, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by shady_knife

expertise is basically mandatory for most rangers. its awesome, with a level of 10, thats 30% off most of your ranger skills, that makes 10 = 7, or 5 = 3. the higher the better and the expertise skills are awesome.

Wow so I spend half my AP and can save a whole 2 or 3 energy which I could regen in a about second anyway. Seems pointless to me, hence why I don't use it. Would much rather put the points in something usefull. Like healing prayers if your a r/mo.

Algren Cole · Jul 25, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Spike

Wow so I spend half my AP and can save a whole 2 or 3 energy which I could regen in a about second anyway. Seems pointless to me, hence why I don't use it. Would much rather put the points in something usefull. Like healing prayers if your a r/mo.

expertise is the most usefull of the ranger attributes....I for one would hate to spend 25 energy every time I wanted to drop a dust trap...so with my expertise boosted to max I spend half that. It costs me 4 energy to drop 10 energy skills...how you can not see that as being usefull is beyond me.

BrokenSymmetry · Jul 25, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Please note that a ranger has an energy regeneration of 3 "pips", which means that 1 energy is generated per second. With an Expertise rank of 9, skills that cost 10 energy are reduced to 6, which means that you can perform almost twice as many skill atacks until you're out of energy, and after that you can perform your next skill attack 4 seconds earlier than without expertise. In the middle of a battle 4 seconds is an eternity.

Any good ranger in these forums will tell you that a high expertise (at least 9) is crucial for an effective ranger.

Jul 24, 2005, 10:06 PM // 22:06	#1
The Stealth Ranger Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Netherlands Profession: R/E	Expertise Ranger Attribute Hi, I hope someone can enlighten me. I'm a Ranger/Elementalist. Rangers have the primary attribute Expertise. Official documentation is a bit vague about the exact function of this attribute. They say it reduces the energy cost of "your skills". Does that also mean that it reduces the energy cost of all my skills, including my secondary Elementalist skills? Then it will become very interesting. And I believe it also reduces skill recharge times and maybe other things? Maybe anyone here has a lot of experience with this vaguely documented attribute. I invested my attribute points mainly in Markmanship, Beast Mastery and Fire Magic. Last edited by The Stealth Ranger; Jul 24, 2005 at 10:09 PM // 22:09..

Jul 24, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08	#2
Kha Sins FTW! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS]	Expertise __________________

Jul 25, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07	#6
Fox Reeveheart Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Michigan Guild: none q.q Profession: D/	Pets can use it? Are pet skills like feral lunge affected by expertise? o.o.... it is a RANGER skill ya know. I know its a attack skill but its a PET attack skill technically, so I am not sure.

Jul 25, 2005, 07:33 AM // 07:33	#11
AceSnyp3r Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Work in Progress [WIP]	I know it reduces the energy cost of all of your Ranger skills, but in my experience, not any of the spells and such of your secondary class. Pet skills, attack skills, preparations, spirits, etc. are all affected by Expertise. I've yet to try it, but it might affect Warrior's attack skills as well... Last edited by AceSnyp3r; Jul 25, 2005 at 07:36 AM // 07:36..

Jul 25, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45	#20
BrokenSymmetry Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Please note that a ranger has an energy regeneration of 3 "pips", which means that 1 energy is generated per second. With an Expertise rank of 9, skills that cost 10 energy are reduced to 6, which means that you can perform almost twice as many skill atacks until you're out of energy, and after that you can perform your next skill attack 4 seconds earlier than without expertise. In the middle of a battle 4 seconds is an eternity. Any good ranger in these forums will tell you that a high expertise (at least 9) is crucial for an effective ranger. Last edited by BrokenSymmetry; Jul 25, 2005 at 04:48 PM // 16:48..

Jul 24, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09	#3
Perishiko ReLLiK Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2005 Guild: Divine Guardians of the Soul (Soul) Profession: Mo/E	There are "skills" "signets" "spells" and stuff like that... it states all attacks preperations and skills... Things like, Vampiric touch, or Lightning touch, state that they are "skills" and therefore, are not considered spells, and also wont be effected by things like backfire, obviously.

Jul 24, 2005, 10:14 PM // 22:14	#4
The Stealth Ranger Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Netherlands Profession: R/E	I know about the discrete jumps of reduction. But I want to know if Expertise also reduces the energy cost of my Fire Magic skills from my secondary Elementalist profession...

Jul 24, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18	#5
Spike Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: In front of my PC Guild: Kai Profession: E/Mo	expertise does NOT effect spells and unless you want to waste over half your Ap on it, its pointless. My ranger does'nt bother to use it and works just fine.

Jul 25, 2005, 12:24 AM // 00:24	#7
Linkie Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norway Profession: P/W	Read the description of the Skill. It will usually say things like: Signet, Skill, Spell, Hex Spell etc.

Jul 25, 2005, 12:52 AM // 00:52	#8
Elena Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium	well i have my expertise at 12 and it halfs costs off skills and when it comes to like 12.5 as half it goes down to 12 wich is great to have

Jul 25, 2005, 07:18 AM // 07:18	#9
The Stealth Ranger Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Netherlands Profession: R/E	I guess nobody knows the answer to my question, if expertise also affects the skills of a secondary profession?

Jul 25, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40	#12
The Stealth Ranger Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Netherlands Profession: R/E	Thanks for the replies guys. But your replies were completely contrary

Jul 25, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09	#14
Aranador Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005	Expertise will affect attack skills from - for example - warrior secondary - but will not affect spell skills, such as 99% of elementalist skills. Sorry - no low cost mojo for you.

Jul 25, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29	#16
The Stealth Ranger Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Netherlands Profession: R/E	Aaah thanks, now it's starting to clear up. That would be very unfair if only certain secondary professions profit from Expertise. Talking about lousy and vague official documentation! They definitely should warn people for that beforehand. But isn't Elementalist also an attack profession? I mean Fire Magic seems to have many attack skills... I guess it depends on the definition of "attack skill".

Jul 25, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28	#17
Linkie Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norway Profession: P/W	Sigh. Read again: If you read the description of a skill it will say: Hex Spell, Spell, Enchantment Spell, Skill, Elite Skill, Elite Spell, Attack Skill, etc. All skills described as "Skills" are affected by expertise. This affects mostly Warrior and Ranger skills, but also a few other skills, e.g. Vampiric Touch (and most other touch skills).